What the OSR means to me

Wow, it's been a while.  I posted a comment over at Tenkar's Tavern, which I thought I'd repeat here.  Over the past year or two (i.e., while I've been away from this blog), I've been reading and listening to a lot of material coming out of the Old School Renaissance (or Old School Revival), a return, more or less, to the Old Ways of the earlier days of the hobby of table-top role playing.  Tenkar asks his readership what the OSR means to them personally.  My response was this:

The primacy of adventure over story.

The primacy of surrender to the wonderful, the fateful, and the weird over rules mastery.

And Appendix N. Not Gygax's specific list, nor any other, but the attitude behind it in which one seeks to take the best elements of the exciting and the evocative and bring them quite literally to the table.

If you are interested in this sort of thing, Tenkar's is a great site to visit.  Not grandmother-friendly, perhaps, but a consistently fun and interesting read.

A lot of folks naturally think of old school D&D when they think of the OSR, but it encompasses more than that.  Seventies & Eighties gaming is probably a better characterization of its focus.  Most of what we play today is really just a remix and refinement of what we played in those earlier years.  The OSR crowd, at its best, seeks to recover and revitalize the finer elements of those games.

Fifth Edition Rules!

Yes, as noted on EN World, D&D 5th Edition (or whatever it will be called) is in development.

What do I think, you ask? (Hey, you are reading this aren't you, so don't complain.)

Well, I've signed up for the play test, if for no other reason to get a preliminary peek.  I have to be upfront about it, though - I'm not a fan of hit points as they are normally played in D&D.  (Recently, while reading some of the Salvatore's Drizzt stuff, I cracked up when I realized that you couldn't actually play out some of the scenes he described, definitely not with the ruleset of the time.)  That won't go away in 5th.

But I was very impressed with Mearles' work in Iron Heroes.  And Monte Cook has done excellent stuff with his variations on 3rd Edition.  Now I never played any of their spin-off material, but when just reading the rules is fun, you know you are on to something really cool.  I'm sad I didn't get to play any of it.  But I do want to see what they do with 5th.

I'm sure I'll play 5th when it's out because most everybody will want to play at least one campaign.  And I'm sure I'll have a good time.  Not much else to say.

1st Edition Ish - Part Two

I stumbled upon a comment that I'd made to some friends in an email, which I'll also post here, slightly edited, because it still resonates with me now - and it's a good follow up to my comments earlier:

A confession here:  although it's true that I do dislike the absence of "true" (i.e. 3.x edition) multi-classing in 4th edition, I never actually got to DO that.  I only ever played 1st edition multi-class characters, and I think just one - a Wood Elf Druid/Thief.  The closest thing after that (and it doesn't really count) was a 2nd Edition Bard with the Swashbuckler kit, one of my all-time favorites.  Other than that, I only played single-class characters.  I wanted to do true multi-classing, but when it finally came around, I just wasn't playing all that much. 

For the record, I'm actually okay with multi-classing in 4th,  I just hate that they call it multi-classing.  I'd be happier with "dabbling" or "borrowing" or something equivalent.   It's one of my pet peeves with the current game system - the ever-present misnomers. When the effects of Two-Weapon "Eviscerate" last about a round or so, that just makes my head explode.  I have no problem with the exploit as written, just don't call it that.  It sounds like they are marketing to junior-high kids - "Look, Dad, I can do this really cool thing!!!"  Though I suppose that's exactly what they are doing. 

Meanwhile, Dad, the 1st Ed player, steps into the backyard and has a good cry.  After a while, his neighbor sticks his head over the fence.  "Kid playing 4th again?"  Dad doesn't say anything.  He just sniffles once or twice and goes quiet.  It's okay.  He and his neighbor have been buddies for a long time.

I have only one thing to say to the many, many watered-down, grossly misnamed Awesomely Awesome Power powers out there.

Save or die.

1st Edition Ish

I've got a few thoughts on 4th Edition Dungeons and Dragons, not for people who have never played it, but for people who have.  I played in a campaign (all thirty levels) as an Eladrin Ranger, dying once, coming back (sort of), dying again, and coming back a third time for the final finish.  I have to say that I don't like this new edition.  I even have to say that it's not really Dungeons & Dragons.

Brief background: I played AD&D extensively back in the day, 2nd Edition AD&D in a couple of campaigns, and one 3rd Edition campaign.

I've never DMed a 4th Edition game and never read any of its official books other than the Player's Handbook - and even that, not cover to cover, though I've read a lot of entries in the online Compendium for the game.  So I speak out of a lengthy, but rather limited, experience with 4th.

When I say that it isn't D&D, that's not necessarily a bad thing.  D&D was the first RPG I ever played, and has a certain place in my heart because of that.  But it's never, in any of its incarnations, been anywhere near what I'd call a solid system for playing generic fantasy campaigns (though, to its credit, 4th Edition comes a little closer).  I was always frustrated that I couldn't play magic-using characters that felt like the sort of characters I read about in my favorite books.  (I loved Rolemaster for precisely that reason, though I'd now consider it to be too much work for what you get.)  Even now, the Vancian system isn't gone.  The slots-per-day (indeed, slots fixed with but a single power) mechanic is now just diluted throughout the classes.  D&D has been, however, a great system (or set of systems) for playing, well, D&D.  The fellows over at The RPG Haven Podcast (and others, too) have commented that D&D is basically its own genre.  Bingo.  The reality is that D&D is a thing all its own. And that's okay.

But I'm confident that, as a game, 4th isn't really the same as earlier editions in that it's not backwards-compatible.   As a rule, you can't really convert characters from prior editions without basically re-imagining them.  Again, not a bad thing in itself.  If I have any gripe here, it's that you're not really getting what's on the box, red or otherwise.  It's made a lot of people really angry, and I understand why.  I was more disappointed than angry.  I hoped for fixes to a venerable system that would make all those books and movies that I loved finally playable, but instead I got a thoroughly new system, pretending to be the old one.

Indeed, I got a new system of rather more limited scope.  Like so many players of earlier editions, I loved the flexibility in character design that surfaced as the game matured into its 3rd edition.  Sadly, I never really got to enjoy it, but I did get to see much of that customizability simply evaporate in 4th.  A step backwards, in my book.

In regard to its handing of classes, I heard the word "pigeon-holing" being tossed around a lot after the game's release, and I heartily agree.  Most mages I've wanted to play in editions past were not Controllers and most fighters I played were by no means Defenders.  That kind of oversimplification drives me crazy.  The four roles are actually a nice way of thinking about what you want your character to do in combat*, but those roles can be filled, to varying degrees, by multiple classes.  It's not a one-to-one correspondence.  They've moved away from this somewhat in the new Essentials line-up, and that's a good thing.


If any given RPG has both Role-Playing and Gaming aspects, 4th Edition leans heavily in the direction of Game and is thoroughly combat-centric - more fantasy wargame than fantasy role-playing game.  I saw plenty of role-playing around the table in the campaign that I was a part of, but it was really kind of optional.  Which was good, because I rarely had the energy for it.  Mostly, I just created a character that did his part in a fight and was easy to play.  I was really there more to be with friends than anything else.

As I say, 4th Edition isn't D&D.  It's D&D-ish - but then, so are a lot of games.  You can play the various pre-4th D&D settings, races, and classes with, say, BRP or Hero or even Mutants & Masterminds.  4th Ed is, however, an official product, released by sort-of-the-same folks who gave us the 3.x editions. So I've given in to my more cynical side, calling it 1st Edition "Ish" - up until now, mostly to myself.

Hey, it's not a bad game. I've had fun (sometimes a lot of fun) playing it!  Not much more to say on this one.  If you have a good time with 4th, by all means keep right on rockin' with it.  I can't say I'll never play it again. I wouldn't mind playing the occasional session sometime in the future.  It's very much like 1st Edition was for me, in that I played it because that's what everybody else was hankering to play. :)  But for what I'm looking for, there are better games out there.

*If you want to see a more adequate list of party roles, a list not quite so combat-obsessed, look at Crafty Game's Fantasy Craft.  Although I'm not so much into the class-and-level thing any more, this is a system I'd gladly play as my go-to fantasy system, no reservations.  Very nicely done.